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The boss of the Eure-et-Loir cops confides earlier than his departure: “For me, society is much less violent”

Boss of the cops of the Chartres and Dreux police stations, Commissioner Normal Mathieu Bernier, born in 1966 in Orléans (Loiret), confided in himself earlier than his departure for Lyon (Rhône), in February 2023. Commissioner Normal Thierry Mathé, in from Essonne, will succeed him.

A switch window in winter is kind of uncommon…
It occurs. And Lyon is an excellent alternative, even when I at all times informed myself that I’d by no means go under the Loire [il sourit]. The place of Deputy Departmental Director (DDSP) is a really massive duty. I arrive in all humility, to realize extra expertise, to nourish myself by this operate. It is a springboard to then bounce again to a much bigger place.

What’s your evaluation of your keep in Eure-et-Loir?
Crime within the districts of Chartres and Dreux has been introduced below management. We should not overlook that it has been disrupted by the well being disaster. The stability sheet stays constructive… however pessimistic. The Covid-19 has generated intelligent financial and monetary scams, particularly on the web and subsequently a reasonably lively underground economic system of native hooliganism. Whereas some crime themes are down, others are nonetheless on the rise, akin to home violence. Nevertheless, I do not suppose there are any greater than earlier than. However we are saying extra.

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Progress stays to be made, notably in Dreux, to usher in the victims. Culturally, the method is difficult, there’s a sure silence on such a information.

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Delinquencies in Chartres and Dreux are completely different…
Chartres is a peaceable agglomeration. There may be the police, justice, but in addition a complete favorable setting, together with the municipality’s safety coverage. The arrival of Normal Lizurey, deputy mayor of Chartres, and his imaginative and prescient of the struggle in opposition to delinquency on the stage of the agglomeration, modified every thing within the space of ​​delinquency. We are able to cite a concrete instance, with the institution, distinctive in France, of the intermunicipal supervision middle! Structurally, the bases are sound in Chartres to do a great job all collectively. City renewal additionally has a useful affect. However there are additionally weaknesses and warning indicators, with a part of the inhabitants of the Chartres conurbation which is dropping out, after having been concentrated in neighborhoods for a very long time. I be aware that the destruction of the “banana” buildings in Mainvilliers does quite a lot of good.

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Nevertheless it has generated transfers of issues, epiphenomena, on the Madeleine district in Chartres. Nevertheless, the restructuring venture of the La Madeleine district can have a great impact on delinquency sooner or later, that is for certain.

“We should proceed to grab these prison property”

The Drouais sector stays suffering from the trafficking of narcotics.
Sure, however the agglomeration of Chartres shouldn’t be spared. We dismantled a number of traffickers, discovered caches in automobiles and recognized new deal factors. However it’s true that the exercise continues to be vital in Dreux, with ramifications on the western area. Happily, we do not have Marseille’s settling of scores, though we had an assassination try in Vernouillet with one injured after Kalashnikov fireplace. Traditionally, the Drouais stay importers, as a result of they’ve connections with producers. I estimate that there’s, not less than, greater than a ton which arrives every month round Dreux. Traffickers irrigate domestically and in different departments. The sinews of struggle are their property. We should proceed to grab these prison property.

You’ve been confronted with brawls from rival gangs in Chartres. What do you keep in mind?
I seen important phenomena of communitarianism which ended up triggering a lethal struggle within the coronary heart of downtown Chartres.

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And in retaliation, revenge with a dying in Lucé. These tragedies made us mirror. We have now labored with a number of companions with whom we weren’t used to speaking an excessive amount of, akin to Nationwide Training, crime prevention networks, social landlords… This permits us to anticipate and to behave to stop conditions from escalating. There are three gangs, in Chartres, Lucé and Mainvilliers, and we’ve created, on the Chartres police station, a gaggle to watch and struggle in opposition to gangs. In Dreux, the phenomenon between two rival gangs is much less seen, as a result of it’s anesthetized by drug traffickers who don’t wish to appeal to consideration within the neighborhoods.

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What have been the highlights to your place since 2017?
The yellow vests, the Covid-19, the newborn deserted in a laundry basket in Mainvilliers, the dismantling of two prostitution networks in Mainvilliers on which we have to be vigilant, as a result of males are browsing on human distress. There have been additionally the 2 Chartres gynecologists prosecuted for rape, homicide, feminicide…

You’ve restructured the functioning of the police stations. Why ?
The police revolves across the public order element and the judiciary, every feeding on the opposite. The state needs extra police on the bottom, twice as many as earlier than. Every thing needed to be reorganized with a purpose to cut back procedural acts on the publish. The police had been outfitted with smartphones (Néo2) permitting them to attract up tickets, write pleadings and seek the advice of varied information from the general public freeway. I had many reinforcements of cops to assign them, in massive numbers, on the bottom, within the rotation brigades. There have been 116 guards and officers in Chartres in 2017, there are 142, and there have been 85 in Dreux, and there are actually 126. A neighborhood safety group (GSP), together with safety assistants (ADS), was created in Dreux and an intervention part in Chartres, with out ADS. These items full the anti-crime brigades and canine groups. I additionally maintained that of Dreux, which was destined to vanish. These adjustments in technique make me consider Charles Pasqua, former Minister of the Inside, who mentioned: “Police and criminals should meet on the similar time.”

“The usage of weapons meets 4 situations of self-defense”

Refusals to conform and concrete rodeos are two new phenomena to take note of…
I’ve instructed my employees to cease choosing up automobiles (Editor’s be aware the chases). It’s crucial to higher handle the management system and, if potential, to make use of the portcullis, as was the case final weekend, in Chartres, to problem the motive force in full security. I wish to keep away from accidents in any respect prices, and that my personnel use their weapons in order that they discover themselves in police custody. These are my directions. The usage of weapons meets 4 situations of self-defence: following a violent crime, armed theft, a severe offense and the endangerment of an individual, specifically a police officer. City rodeos take up quite a lot of our time from spring to fall. We proceed to hold out operations in opposition to this phenomenon coming from america and England and one seizes their machines on the spot or afterwards, through the investigations.

Are younger folks extra violent than a couple of years in the past?
No. And for me, society is much less violent. And if there are extra information, it is as a result of the inhabitants is rising. It’s social networks and the media that counsel that violence could be very current. They’re a sounding board. Earlier than, information gadgets went nearly unnoticed. Homicides have been falling for 20 years. Equally, tensions have eased throughout checks and interventions since using physique cameras that movie and report.

The police on anti-terrorist train at Chartres Cathedral

For the primary time, there have been workouts in opposition to terrorism. Why ?
On the theater of Chartres and on the cathedral of Chartres. That is important. Nobody is resistant to this risk. This coaching permits the police to know the delicate locations, to enhance in such a state of affairs and to have the ability to collaborate nicely with all of the interveners such because the firefighters. These workouts are additionally attention-grabbing to see what our strengths and weaknesses are.

Thierry Delaunay


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